[spOOkzZ]

Firstly, Im just getting in to legacy, one of my friends plays it and it got me hooked on it, mainly because i love new cards haha, anyway.

I love the idea of a suicide deck

But i don't want to fork out Hundreds of pounds on new cards but i may have to, but i would like some advice on building a suicide deck on budget.

Include uber priced cards if they are a 100% need for a suicide deck and if you can a cheaper alternative : )

Thanks guys <3

(ill build the deck here as we go along ^___^)
Deck Name: Ill Die Before You Beat Me

((((((((( $1 = £0.54 British pounds )))))))))
Creatures: 16
4  x Carnophage (£1.96)
4  x Dauthi Horror (£0.40)
4  x Hypnotic Specter (£11.96)
4  x Black Knight (£3.99)
3  x Grinning Demon (£1.50)

Spells: 24
4  x Dark Ritual (£2.00)
4  x hymn to tourach (£3.96)
3  x Sarcomancy (£8.97)
4  x Chainer's Edict (£3.99)
4  x Phyrexian Arena (£11.96)
3  x Lurking Jackals (£0.87)

Artifact: 4
2  x Umezawa'a jitte (£15.98)
2  x Sword of Light and Shadow (£5.96)

Land:19
1  x Volrath's Stronghold (£2.99)
18 x Swamps (£1)

Sideboard:4
4 x Engineered Plague[/card] (£7.96)
4 x Withered Wretch[/card] (£3.96)

Total - £81.27 (without SB / With £93.19)

///Cost-a-lots ;p (but i want :[   )
4  x Nantuko Shade (£23.96)
4  x Phyrexian Negator (£15.96)
4  x Bloodstained Mire (£35.96)
4  x Wasteland (£27.96)
4  x Nantuko Shade (£23.96)
4  x Phyrexian Negator (£15.96)
4  x Dark Confidant (£26.96)
4  x Thoughtseize (£51.96)

All Prices are added up so the price you see is the price for the amount of cards i have added to the deck ^___^

[imachampion]

I would assume that you are talking about a Suicide Black deck. There are a few expensive cards that the deck really needs.

Dark Confidant
Umezawa's Jitte
Nantuko Shade
Profane Command
Sarcomancy

These are crucial to the deck. There are other cards that are important...but these are the money cards. Just click on the cards to see the prices.

[spOOkzZ]

@Imachampion
Well all those price make me sad. But i will end up paying for them anyway lol

Anyway i have been looking up cards that i like from suicide decks on DeckCheck.net

Phyrexian Arena
Thoughtseize
Extirpate
Snuff Out
Vampiric Tutor
Tendrils of Agony
Carnophage
Dark Confidant
Bitterblossom
Phyrexian Negator
Dauthi Slayer
Sarcomancy
Lake of the Dead
Engineered Plague
Temporal Extortion
Living Death
Yixlid Jailer
Cruel Edict
Dunerider Outlaw
Stromgald Crusader
Nevinyrral's Disk
Massacre
Chalice of the Void
Grinning Demon
Priest of Gix
Bad Moon
Smallpox
Yawgmoth's Will
Sudden Death
Innocent Blood
Pithing Needle
Darkblast
Midnight Charm
Nausea
Nezumi Shortfang
Plague Sliver
Unearth
The Rack
Hypnotic Specter
Swords to Plowshares
Hatred
Braids, Cabal Minion
Phyrexian Scuta
Foul Imp
Plunge into Darkness
Nantuko Shade
Night's Whisper
Skeletal Scrying

These are all the cards that i like, not saying i want them in the deck, but hey in a perfect world.. ^___^
Any advice on cards that should not be in a deck or one that deffo be in it : ) <3 thanks

That Took FOREVER :C We Need The Deck Tag Fast <3

[spOOkzZ]

Deck added! *First Post*

[imachampion]

I really like Profane Command in this deck. It is very versital and very powerful.

[spOOkzZ]

What would i remove to put it in?

and what do you think about the deck anyway ^___^ <3

[imachampion]

What would i remove to put it in?

and what do you think about the deck anyway ^___^ <3

Its good. I would do this:
-3 Lurking Jackals
+1 Sarcomancy
+2 Profane Command

While the Lurking Jackals seem strong...they are pretty much dead in your opening hand. Sarcomancy is just all around better.

On your money list...I don't like Phyrexian Negator in this deck. I think that you could add in Bayou and Tarmogoyf to the list. I have also seen lists mixes Dead Guy Ale and Suicide Black...but I think straight Suicide Black is better.

[Hexatomb]

What's wrong with Phyrexian Negator? The only thing you really have to worry about is the Sac. Also, Flesh Reaver: I think this is a great card in a suicide deck. It's cheap to get out and can be a strong early game. Of course, you'll have to sideboard him out depending on the opponent's deck.

What I'm surprised to see is that no one suggested Duress. And if you can get your hands on some Sinkholes, do so. They are a lot of fun!

My current Legacy "Suicide Black" deck is: (Yes, it's 61 cards...)

Lands: 21 13 Swamp 4 Wasteland 4 Polluted Delta Creatures: 14 2 Flesh Reaver 4 Hypnotic Specter 4 Nantuko Shade 4 Carnophage Spells: 26 4 Dark Confidant 4 Hymn to Tourach 4 Sarcomancy 2 Umezawa's Jitte 4 Dark Ritual 4 Duress 4 Sinkhole Sideboard: 2 Profane Command (totally agree with champ that it's worth it) 3 Engineered Plague 3 Pithing Needle 1 Yawgmoth's Will 3 Ebony Charm 3 Null Rod

Black is one of my favorite colors because of decks like these!

[imachampion]

@Hex,
You could easily drop a Swamp to trim up your deck. Also...your list is perfectly tuned to fit in Tarmogoyf. he is much better than Flesh Reaver...and he allows you live a few extra turns. I also like the Stillmoon Cavalier over Hypnotic Specter. Originally I liked Stromgald Crusader in this spot but...a 3cc for a 3cc seems good to me. I really like the idea of a pumpable creature to use excess mana. So in short...I would do this to your deck:
-2 Flesh Reaver
-2 Sinkhole
-5 Swamp
-4 Hypnotic Specter
+4 Stillmoon Cavalier
+4 Tarmogoyf
+4 Bayou
Also...how are you running Yawgmoth's Will? Is that a joke card?

My problem with Phyrexian Negator isn't with the card itself...its with the meta. Threshold is huge in this environment and it runs both Magma Jet and Lightning Bolt. On top of that...Mono Red Burn has been making quite a splash in Legacy lately. I guess I could see him in the sideboard but I think it is truely suicide to run him in the main.

[Hexatomb]

@Champ
I actually toss in Yawgmoth's Will if I'm facing discard decks. He's just in there for a little fun right now. I find it useful if a lot of critters are in the graveyard for whatever reason. Plus it's handy to use if I want to recast Sinkholes or Duress. It's only 3 mana and being able to use sinkhole or duress when you're just not drawing them is handy. I don't see why you view it as a joke card. :-( I just wish it wasn't restricted...

@Trimming
I guess I could drop a swamp. Mathmatically, 13 works out well for me though. I was thinking of swapping 4 swamps for Bayous or something similar, but my playing circle has more "nonbasic land" removal just to deal with Mutavault and Faerie Conclave. Hence the basic land use and my love of sinkhole for any land, hehe :-)

I actually do like Stillmoon Cavalier, but I refuse to pay $60. It was bad enough buying my Mutavaults.  I am tempted to trade the Hypnotic Specters for 2 Nether Voids and 2 Plague Spitters. But I don't know if I like the game mechanics yet. Tarmogoyf is interesting, kind of goes against my occasional use of Yawgmoth's Will, but he could be pretty powerful with the discard cards in place. Again, I don't know if he's worth the $cost for a casual setting, you know? I might try to trade for some though...

@Burn Decks
No one in my circle plays red. I don't know why, but no one likes it. I guess I can see how painful Phyrexian Negator would be at that point. I didn't like him in my deck, but I was only using 2 at the time. An alternate could be Masticore. Quite a few people play him over the Negator.

Vs Control:
A friend just suggested Aether Vial to me today. What do you think, Champ?

[imachampion]

@Champ
I actually toss in Yawgmoth's Will if I'm facing discard decks. He's just in there for a little fun right now. I find it useful if a lot of critters are in the graveyard for whatever reason. Plus it's handy to use if I want to recast Sinkholes or Duress. It's only 3 mana and being able to use sinkhole or duress when you're just not drawing them is handy. I don't see why you view it as a joke card. :-( I just wish it wasn't restricted...

For the purposes of this thread...this is for Legacy...and Yawgmoth's Will is banned.

@Trimming
I guess I could drop a swamp. Mathmatically, 13 works out well for me though. I was thinking of swapping 4 swamps for Bayous or something similar, but my playing circle has more "nonbasic land" removal just to deal with Mutavault and Faerie Conclave. Hence the basic land use and my love of sinkhole for any land, hehe :-)

The power of Tarmogoyf is worth the risk.

I actually do like Stillmoon Cavalier, but I refuse to pay $60. It was bad enough buying my Mutavaults.  I am tempted to trade the Hypnotic Specters for 2 Nether Voids and 2 Plague Spitters. But I don't know if I like the game mechanics yet. Tarmogoyf is interesting, kind of goes against my occasional use of Yawgmoth's Will, but he could be pretty powerful with the discard cards in place. Again, I don't know if he's worth the $cost for a casual setting, you know? I might try to trade for some though...

You have Bayous, Sinkholes, Mutavaults, Yawgmoth's Will, and so many other expensive cards...and yet you are concerned with the price of Stillmoon Cavaliers?

@Burn Decks
No one in my circle plays red. I don't know why, but no one likes it. I guess I can see how painful Phyrexian Negator would be at that point. I didn't like him in my deck, but I was only using 2 at the time. An alternate could be Masticore. Quite a few people play him over the Negator.

Burn Decks are so cheap to make...and they are so effective against an unsuspecting person.

Vs Control:
A friend just suggested Aether Vial to me today. What do you think, Champ?

It would work...but you would have to drop some cards that I don't think you would want to. Adding onto the list I provided earlier...
-2 Sinkhole
-4 Wasteland
+4 Aether Vial
+2 Swamp

This would make your deck look like this:

Lands: 19 7 Swamp 4 Bayou 4 Polluted Delta 4 Bloodstanded Mire Creatures: 23 4 Carnophage 4 Sarcomancy 4 Dark Confidant 4 Tarmogoyf 4 Nantuko Shade 3 Stillmoon Cavalier / Hypnotic Specter / Smother Spells: 18 4 Aether Vial 4 Dark Ritual 4 Duress 2 Umezawa's Jitte 4 Hymn to Tourach

While this probably isn't 100% tuned...I would bet that this is a good place to start.

[Hexatomb]

Restricted/Banned:
Hmm, I thought Yawgmoth was Restricted... Looks like I got lists mixed between Legacy and Vintage. I'm sorry about that. We're pretty casual, so none of my friends mind. We all laugh and jeer at each other during games as is, I'm sure I'll never hear the end of this one.

Deck:
I already pulled off a trade today and have 2 Tarmogoyfs, but I'm going to have to dig around local shops and see if I can trade for some. Found a shop today with a bunch of old school players, made me very happy to see. 

LoL, Champ, you make me laugh. I have Bayous, Sinkholes, etc because I've bought cards from all the sets over all these years. It's all about my stack of growing cards that I refuse to get rid of. Hence my comment about not wanting to spend MORE money than I have to. I'd definitely pay if I was going on the competitive circuit. ;-p
I did buy 4 Mutavaults because they're fantastic; and fit into all the Lorwyn block decks. I think of it as an investment to the future, kind of like Cryptic Commands.

I like Aether Vial, but I don't want to ruin the flow of the deck. Right now the flood of critters, discard and sinkholes is a lot of fun, I think the vial will add too much complication. I'm old, remember?

I think I'll keep it as is, drop the Yawgmoth (with much disappointment), and try to scrounge up some Tarmogoyf and Stillmoons. (so you dont make fun of me anymore; hehe)

[imachampion]

heh...I was just pointing out the obviously expensive cards that you already have in the deck.

If you take out Aether Vial...I would consider putting in removal. Smother is awesome. Just a thought though.

[Hexatomb]

OK, here's my new combo for this deck, Ragged Veins + Filthy Cur!

Just kidding. This reminds me of a deck I once built who's whole goal was to kill itself before your opponent could. It's all about the silly decks ;p

Smother is pretty nice for it's cost, but it won't handle say.. a Chameleon Colossus. I had 2 Devour in Shadows that I was thinking of putting in my sideboard, but that might be too much damage when actually dealing with creatures like Colossus. Smother might be my only option... Good Choice.

Edit:
What about instead of Tarmogoyf and Bayou, I splash in red with Badlands for Terminate and Demigod of Revenge?

[Hexatomb]

Latest Version:

Land: 22
17 Swamp
3 Strip Mine - More land destruction makes this deck more maneuverable
2 Wasteland - Because people like Mutavault, Treetop Village, Faerie Conclave, etc...

Creatures: 16
4 Nantuko Shade - Best two drop ever, 2nd best is still Black Knight. The Black Knight Always Triumphs! :-)
2 Flesh Reaver
4 Carnophage
2 Grinning Demon - 6/6 for cheap!
4 Hypnotic Specter - I also decided trade for some Stillmoon Cavaliers. Currently testing them in place of the Hypnotic Specters...

Spells: 22
4 Sarcomancy
4 Dark Ritual
4 Duress
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Sinkhole - Combined with Stripmine and Wasteland, this is still a great card.
2 Null Rod - mainboarded 2 of these because I'm starting to hate artifacts.

Sideboard:
4 Diabolic Edict
2 Profane Command
3 Engineered Plague
3 Ebony Charm
3 Lurking Skirge / Lurking Evil

Deck Write Up:
I main boarded 2 Null Rods because now that I'm playing more against people who use anything from any set, Artifacts suck. I removed Umezawa's Jitte, mainly because I just wasn't using them as much as I'd like. Soon as I took them out a buddy borrowed them; go figure. I like Diabolic Edict a little more than Smother. It's always more fun to force someone to choose, than to just pick something and it's a little more versitile. :-)

No Tarmogoyfs in the deck yet, while I see the use of a random green powerhouse, he just seems to ruin the mono black fun. Plus in testing, I rarely got the Bayou I needed before either of us was dead. He's not very useful when you have to wait on a Bayou. One game my starting hand ended up as Swamp, Swamp, Swamp, Tarmogoyf, Tarmogoyf, Dark Ritual, Sarcomancy. I decided to mulligan and got Bayou, Bayou, Hymm, Sarcomancy, Flesh Reaver. Way better for this deck!

Stillmoon Cavaliers are pretty strong, but I don't like having to pay for flying. I'd rather have the disruption of the discard with Hypnotic Specter, he usually forces a block if they don't want to lose anything.

I also found 4 Lurking Evil in an old discard deck and remember how I used to always laugh when I saw this card. I might throw him in just for the memories... and pain of course! :-)