[MacdaddyG]

Here's the list (Kithkin):

4 Figure of Destiny
4 Burrenton Forge-Tender
4 Goldmeadow Stalwart
4 Wizened Cenn
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
3 Thistedown Liege
4 Cloudgoat Ranger

4 Spectral Procession
4 Unmake

4 Windbrisk Heights
4 Rustic Clachan
2 Mutavault
15 Plains

Sideboard:

4 Reveillark
3 Paladin En-vec
4 Stillmoon Cavalier
4 Kitchen Finks

I don't think Wheel of Sun and Moon will be necessary at first, although that may obviously change as the 5 color decks are much stronger now. I'd rather run Forge-Tender main deck so as to never get blown out by Firespout game 1. I don't feel that it is necessary to run Mirrorweave as I would rather run a streamlined aggro deck and would only run 2 at most anyways, which would take away from my threat count. I might run a 3rd Mutavault, but hitting WWW on turn 3 is very important for this deck to keep the gas coming. Any comments or advice you have are welcome.

[Chopperdave]

Could we possibly move this to one of the other 9000 kithkin threads, there is really no need for this many.

[imachampion]

There has been quite a bit of talk over Kithkin being replaced simply by White Weenie.

Here is Adrian Sullivan's proposed build.

Lands: 24 4 Windbrisk Heights 4 Rustic Clachan 3 Bant Panorama 13 Plains Creatures: 28 4 Figure of Destiny 4 Akrasan Squire 4 Knight of Meadowgrain 4 Sigiled Paladin 4 Kitchen Finks 4 Wilt-Leaf Cavalier 4 Wilt-Leaf Liege Spells: 8 4 Spectral Procession 2 Mirrorweave 2 Ajani Goldmane

[Chopperdave]

How is this better....you lose a lord effect in Wizened Cenn and your trading stalwart for essentially a vanilla 1/1.

[imachampion]

How is this better....you lose a lord effect in Wizened Cenn and your trading stalwart for essentially a vanilla 1/1.

The idea is that you maintain the strongest independant Kithkin...without having to marry the idea. Also...note that this is not my idea. This is Adrian Sullivan's idea that has been stirring up different ideas. This isn't the end all answer...but it is innovation that needs to be considered before dismissing it.

The following is my opinion so...feel free to question and criticize at will. The reason that I like this idea is because each card in the deck...aside from Mirrorweave...is good independently. However...when they are combined...you get a some very powerful results. If you are going to argue over anything in the deck...it should be the clear lack of any type of removal. This deck is just as fast as a Kithkin deck...with bigger creatures. I doubt that this will be the end all final deck but...I think that it will be pretty good.

Here are several other variants of the same deck.

Lands: 24 4 Windbrisk Heights 3 Rustic Clachan 17 Plains Creatures: 28 4 Figure of Destiny 4 Akrasan Squire 4 Knight of Meadowgrain 4 Sigiled Paladin 4 Kitchen Finks 4 Wilt-Leaf Cavaliers 4 Wilt-Leaf Liege Spells: 8 4 Unmake 4 Spectral Procession

This version looks like a mashing of the "GW Little Kid" deck and a White Weenie deck. This deck offers some removal which I think puts it over the first deck. If only there was room for 2 Mirrorweaves.

Lands: 24 4 Rustic Clachan 2 Windbrisk Heights 2 Mutavault 16 Plains Creatures: 34 4 Figure of Destiny 1 Rhys the Redeemed 4 Akrasan Squire 1 Burrenton Forge-Tender 3 Cenn’s Tactician 2 Goldmeadow Harrier 4 Knight of the White Orchid 2 Kinsbaile Borderguard 4 Preeminent Captain 2 Mirror Entity 4 Ranger of Eos 3 Thistledown Liege Spells: 2 2 Turn to Mist

This deck is practically 1 Drop.dec. It features a whopping 15 1 Drops. It does an amazing job of abusing the invitational card...Ranger of Eos.

Like I said before...there are many new options available...I don't think that sticking to the old Kithkin list is going to be the answer in the upcoming standard.

[Nikerym]

The verson I have been running is:

4 Rustic Clachan
4 Windbrisk Heights
4 Mutavault
13 Plains

4 Figure of Destiny
4 Goldmeadow Stalvard
2 Burrenton Forge-Tender
4 Knight of Meadowgrain
4 Wizend Cenn
2 Mirror Entity
3 Thistledown Liege
4 Cloudgoat Ranger

4 Spectral Possesion
3 Mirrorweave

Side Board
Metabased, so:
2 Forge tenders
3 Wispmare
4 Faerie macabre
3 oblivion ring
3 pollen lullaby


I can probobly find a million reason why this deck should run Mirrorweave since its great card which allows alot of niffy combos, in which can be used and abused to your wish. Opponent plays a wrath-effect card, you activate your mutavault and mirrorweave it, ect ect. Allso Mirror Entity is great in this deck, you have dozens of 1/1 tokens, pop a mirror and soon they become large.

Allso: reason for running Thistledown Liege over Wilt-leaf Liege is flash. According to Hideaway you are allowed to play the card hidden when you are allowed to play it, so basicly that means you can play a hidden thistledown as respons that your 3 spirit tokens go through unblocked, and then swing for 6 or just mirrorweave the hidden liege for a wopping 21 dmg (seen that you dont have any other creatures than the liege and 3 tokens).

[leesteht]

Let's not forget Ruel's card. It's pretty good.

[Jimbobway]

If I were to play kithkin at states this is the list I would take.

4x Windbrisk Heights
4x Rustic Clachan
2x Mutavault
14x Plains

4x Figure of Destiny
4x Goldmeadow Stalwart
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender
4x Knight of Meadowgrain
4x Wizened Cenn
3x Ranger of Eos
3x Cloudgoat Ranger

4x Spectral Procession
4x Unmake
3x Glorious Anthem
2x Mirrorweave

SB:
3x Burrenton Forge-Tender
3x Oblivion Ring
4x Stillmoon Cavalier
3x Moonglove Extract
2x Faerie Macabre

[Chopperdave]

If I were to play kithkin at states this is the list I would take.

4x Windbrisk Heights
4x Rustic Clachan
2x Mutavault
14x Plains

4x Figure of Destiny
4x Goldmeadow Stalwart
1x Burrenton Forge-Tender
4x Knight of Meadowgrain
4x Wizened Cenn
3x Ranger of Eos
3x Cloudgoat Ranger

4x Spectral Procession
4x Unmake
3x Glorious Anthem
2x Mirrorweave

SB:
3x Burrenton Forge-Tender
3x Oblivion Ring
4x Stillmoon Cavalier
3x Moonglove Extract
2x Faerie Macabre

Looks ok but i would cut the mirrorweave down to one and take out the glorious anthem for 2 ajani and 2 harrier as they both own in so many matchups.

[Jimbobway]

I've never had Ajani be better then Glorious Anthem, also it fits into the curve better. The harrier seems sub par and what would be the purpose to running a singleton mirrorweave without a searcher?

[Chopperdave]

I've never had Ajani be better then Glorious Anthem, also it fits into the curve better. The harrier seems sub par and what would be the purpose to running a singleton mirrorweave without a searcher?

Ajani is better because:
1. if he is not dealt with he will win you the game.
2. He fits the curve better, 8 three drops vs. 4 Four drops
3. He allows you to swing and still have blockers.
4. He is more versitile.

Harrier, alot of times, is your only out to colossus and more importantly revilark.

On the one Mirrorweave, I probably should cut it as Cruelcontrol and Fae were all over the place at states this year and it is really bad in those match-ups.  DO NOT RUN MIRRORWEAVE!

As of right now I think Kithkin is a bad choice as your cruel control match-up is pretty much an auto loss if your opponent has a decent comprehension of the meta and he doesnt get mana screwed/flooded.